Samus_Aran schrieb:

Bel hated die Switch aber nicht der Switch wegen, sondern einfach aus Prinzip, weil er weiß, dass er sich noch mehr selbst ins Abseits ballern würde, wenn er die Wii U genauso salopp verabschiedet wie der Rest von uns es schon seit ca. einem Jahr tut.

Belphegor schrieb:

GameFront schrieb:

Switch soll angeblich auf Nvidias Maxwell Architektur basieren

15.12.16 - Nintendos Switch soll angeblich Nvidias Grafikprozessor-Architektur Maxwell der letzten Generation verwenden und nicht die neue Pascal-Architektur, die Anfang 2016 eingeführt wurde. Das behauptet Venturebeat unter Berufung auf zwei nicht näher genannte Quellen.

Die Pascal-Architektur soll noch nicht bereit für den Tegra-Chip sein, der sich in der Switch befindet. Der kundenspezifische Maxwell Tegra Chip wird in einem 20nm Prozess hergestellt, während Pascal in 16 nm gefertigt wird.

Mit Maxwell sollen dem Bericht nach Spiele im optisch typischen Nintendo-Stil lauffähig sein, die grafisch aber nicht an High-End PS4-Spiele heranreichen. Nintendo hat den Bericht nicht bestätigt oder kommentiert.

McClane schrieb:

Heutge Disziplin: Zähne ziehen

http://venturebeat.com/2016/12/14/nintendo-switch-specs-less-powerful-than-playstation-4/

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thraktor schrieb:

• Firstly, it's worth noting the difference between Maxwell and Pascal is almost entirely down to the manufacturing process. Maxwell was made on 28nm (and in the case of the TX1, 20nm) whereas Pascal is made on 16nm. The actual architectural difference between the two is minimal, and aside from improved color buffer compression, largely irrelevant for a device like the Switch.
• Despite that, the article never makes any mention of the manufacturing process. I find that extremely strange, as it's obviously the defining difference between the two sets of GPUs.
• In fact, the article gets the difference between the two completely the wrong way around, saying "Nintendo’s box is relatively small, and so it has to fit into the heat profile of a portable device, rather than a set-top box. That’s another reason that explains the older Maxwell technology, as opposed to the Pascal’s state-of-the-art tech." Pascal is literally a more power efficient version of Maxwell, so the incentive would be the other way around.
• The author says "we expect the Nintendo Switch to be more than 1 teraflop in performance", which is notably higher than even those of us who were expecting Pascal were considering (I literally posted earlier today with a 500-750 Gflop estimate). If this is a Maxwell chip, then that would mean at least 4 SMs (512 "CUDA cores") at 1GHz, as they're not going to be able to push much past that on 28/20nm. This is a much larger GPU than most people would have been expecting.

I see a few different scenarios here:

1. The Switch SoC uses Maxwell at 20nm, and simply has a much larger GPU than anticipated to account for the performance.
2. Nintendo looked at the feature-set planned for Pascal when design started, realised that the new features were largely irrelevant, and decided that they would save time and just use a straight-forward die shrink of Maxwell to 16nm instead. That would technically be a Maxwell GPU, but would be almost completely indistinguishable from Pascal in terms of performance.
3. The sources are wrong about Maxwell, the 1 Tflop performance, or both.

Reddit schrieb:

System features

• Touch screen [T:0131]
• SD card slot located on the bottom of the system [F:3]
• Ethernet: example scenario given where dock has wired Internet connection; in console mode the system uses this connection, and in portable mode, the system can communicate wirelessly with the dock to access the wired connection [T:0560]
• Sleep mode for both console and portable modes [T:0562]
• "Share" button of some kind confirmed; referred to as a "record button" in the details for the left Joy-con; describes using it to take screenshots [T:0168]

Hardware/performance

• Fan inside system, active in both portable mode and console mode [T:0419 + T:0556]
• Dock does not appear to have a fan (thanks, /u/StinkBank) [F:32]
• System uses CPU and fan at less than maximum in portable mode; in docked mode, it fully utilizes both. This enables outputting higher resolutions when docked [T:0556 - T:0558]
• Ambient light sensor for controlling brightness [F:30]

Controllers

• Right Joy-con has IR and NFC capabilities; both have rumble and gyro [F:31]
• Example: alternate Joy-cons with traditional dpads + sticks, or dpads + buttons [F:48 - F:49]
• Small digital L/R buttons accessible on the "inside" of Joy-con (where it would attach to the system), for use when held like a sideways Wiimote [F:51] [T:0180 + T:0207]

Accessories

• Example: head-mounted display accessory (simple VR headset) [F:60]
• Joy-con Grip and Switch can both charge attached Joy-cons (thanks, /u/Asuparagasu) [F:10 - F:16]
• Various controller accessories given as examples, similar to Joy-con Grip [F:52 - F:53]

Gameplay

• Multiplayer scenario example: 4 Joy-cons can be used on one system (does not specify a limit to the number of Joy-cons or Joy-con pairs usable at once) [F:37]

What the heck?

• Vein authentication/vitality sensor: the IR sensor could be used to authenticate users by imaging their vein pattern; can also read their pulse [T:0495]

Missing/Unknown

• Apparently no Ethernet port on the dock, but will almost certainly support USB adapter; see wired connection scenario above
• Camera and microphone: not present
• Analog triggers: unknown
• Multi-touch/capacitive touch screen: unknown
• Stylus: unknown; not sure if this would even be part of the patent?

"In other embodiments..."

The implications of passages like these are not clear. They are given as examples of things that may or may not change (differences or omissions) from the patent document to the final version.

• 4G/mobile: "Note that in other embodiments, the main unit 2 may have the function of implementing communication by connecting to a mobile communication network (in other words, a mobile telephone communication network), in addition to (or instead of) the function of implementing communication by connecting to a wireless LAN." [T:0400]
• Camera: "Note that while the infrared image-capturing section 123 including an infrared camera is used in the present embodiment, a visible light camera (a camera using a visible light image sensor) or other image sensor may be used, instead of an infrared camera, as an image-capturing device, in other embodiments." [T:0451]

Terry schrieb:

Wenn Nintendo die Switch für die anvisierten 250€ - und dafür gibt es ja ganz eindeutige Indizien - veröffentlichen wird, gibt es ja auch überhaupt keine Chance, dass das Teil an X1/PS4-Leistungsniveu (+) heranreicht. Denn draufzahlen wird Nintendo nicht, die wollen ja sogar mit jeder verkauften Einheit noch einen kleinen Gewinn erzielen. Und die Switch soll ja auch mobil funktionieren. Da solte man dann einfcah auch realistische Erwartungen haben.

Denios schrieb:

Sehts halt ein, die Switch wird eine PS Vita 2 von Nintendo mit eingebautem PS TV.

Also: Genial, aber eben keine wirkliche stationäre Konsole.

Derkomai schrieb:

Hier wird wunderbar deutlich, wie krank die Spielegemeinde ist - die Spiele interessieren sie nicht, nur die Leistung der Hardware. Weiterschlafen.

Samus_Aran schrieb:

Leute wenn ihr wüsstet...

Verabschiedet euch doch bitte endlich von dem Gedanken, dass das Teil performancemäßig auch nur ansatzweise an eine PS4 rankommt.

the schrieb:

Welch eingeschränkte Sichtweise!

Wer Interesse an der Leistung allein hat spielt am PC. 

Die Leute befürchten eine mangelhafte Unterstützung der 3rds wenn die Technik nicht stimmt und anschließend eine mangelhafte Unterstützung durch Nintendo weil die Verkaufszahlen nicht stimmen.

Also genau die Wii U Problematik.